Samples, Loops, CC

02005-07-18 | Uncategorized | 4 comments

At 4:44 PM, Curt said…
‘…might be interesting for the musicians among you to get my percussion loops, eh?’
Umm, yeah!!! But, will we need Creative Commons license to use them?

Good question, Curt, and one I have thought about inconclusively. On one hand I believe in Creative Commons, I think it is a better way forward… on the other hand maybe I should not push it on other people. And you are right, if everything in the LL is sold under a CC license you would have to 1. give credit to me on your next album and 2. you would have to use the same CC license as well. That’s a bit pushy of me, I agree… then again, you don’t have to buy or use the samples, yes? I haven’t made up my mind, but the longer I think about it, the longer you will have to wait for the loops… Any thoughts? Maybe I should sell them without copyright, as is, without strings attached. What would the collective you think is fair?

PS: some nice arguments, thanks! I will put up short loops without any copyright restrictions and longer elements under the CC license.

4 Comments

  1. Eno

    I guess it depends on what kind of loops we’re talking about. If it’s something like basic strumming or cajon runs, IMO that sounds like the license should be included when you purchase the loop. However, if it’s something like a melodic sample of some picado then maybe, to protect the artist, it would make sense to contribute that to the artist since that is an original idea (or melody). I wouldn’t want to use someone else’s melodic structure and call it my own. If, and I don’t do this, but if someone were to use your melody then they SHOULD credit you. That’s my opinion.

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  2. Adam Solomon

    Yeah, it’s not pushy at all to make them give you credit–everyone gets credit for their own work, that’s how it goes. But…I agree, it might not be best to make the other artist use the same CC license if they don’t want to, unless there’s some benefit to that (for you) that I don’t see? Which there quite probably is :P

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  3. Curt

    I plan on giving you credit on my albums ANYWAY for the 15 years of inspiration you’ve given me!! This, of course, depends on how accident prone I am in getting discovered in the first place!

    But, back to the topic at hand. Personally, I need to play every note on every song and don’t use loops at all. I DO use samples in the form of plug-ins that I play from my Kurzweil. I would buy your loops simply for that same sense of inspiration that I get from listening to your playing. I agree with Eno in that “borrowing” someone’s melody to call your own is both illegal and uncreative and people that do that will get called on the carpet for it (can you say Vanilla Ice??).

    You are just talking about your percussion loops, right?

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  4. Victor

    I think the distinction Eno brought up makes sense. Seems like there are lots of loops out there you can get that don’t have any strings attached (generally percussion loops) – they could have been created by any half-decent musician. On the other hand, if it’s some sort of solo type work then it should be credited.

    I’m curious how the artist is supposed to be credited under Creative Commons. In other words, is it a subtext blurb or do you actually credit the person as having played on a specific track?

    I’m starting to wonder if Creative Commons is a two-edged sword. I mean, you might not want your name associated with certain “artists”… or what if somebody tries to use your name to create a false sense of association for their own promotional purposes? I don’t know, maybe it can’t work that way – I’m just trying to understand.

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